Apple Announces Safari 4 Public Beta - Page 3

sandmanfvr · #21 02-26-2009, 03:56 PM

I will have to try this, but I have never liked Safari, the crashes, etc. I use Firefox. Hopefully, this will be a better version of Safari.

erick2red · #22 02-26-2009, 04:08 PM

tried, good so far, i liekd so much "Top Sites" feature (i miss that from Opera) and really some improvement loading page speed.

but guys, don't forget remove Safari addons first, no one here advice about that, qand got some crash after update,
remove SafariStand, Glims, Satf, PithHelmet, others

throttlemeister · #23 02-26-2009, 10:39 PM

I have taken the plunge and updated to 10.5.6 Vanilla and now Safari 4 does not crash anymore, also nog with the "Top Sites". I don't know what is different, but apparently it likes 10.5.6 Vanilla more than 10.5.5 Voodoo.

Taisto · #24 02-26-2009, 11:02 PM

Im using voodoo 9.5.0 on 10.5.6 system and it never crashed here on Top Sites, wonder where`s the problem then.

throttlemeister · #25 02-26-2009, 11:06 PM

Dunno either, but I do know it doesn't crash here anymore.

R0GUE · #26 02-27-2009, 09:35 PM

Its now day two of using Safari 4 and I must confess that it is a welcome improvement over Safari 3x. Issues have been resolved and features that required third party hacks have now have been integrated natively within the app itself. It's also good to see third party devs such as Haoli, MHO and Agile respond so swiftly in updating their code to work with the beta.

However, there is one thing that I'm still uncertain of and that is those darn tabs. I kind of understand why Apple has done what its done, but to me it just feels plain wrong and goes against what we have been taught by Apple human interface guidelines. For example, in Safari 3 I could have several tabs open and could quite easily see my tabs because they were in my 'focus area', but now, visually they are out of my focus area and require me to move my eyes away from where they should be. I know it sounds bizarre about areas of focus etc., but this is what good UI design is all about: making software easier to use and not because it might be more practical, so this turnabout in UI design is more about style over substance in my humble opinion. Another small gripe is that when an unfocused tab is next to the window controls it suddenly gives the familiar appearance of Tiger and its non-unified toolbar:

See what I mean? That's one thing I love about Leopard's GUI and that is the unified toolbar. I'm not sure what Apple was thinking here.

I also miss the 'stop/reload' button in the toolbar. Placing it in the address bar and having a couple of mouse-over states to change it from reload-to-stop-to-progress indicator is somewhat misleading and not very practical. Fortunately this can be rectified by accessing Safari's hidden preferences. It's also too close to the RSS icon when it's present and might cause some aggravation to users who might inadvertently click away from it. An idea might be to make the stop/reload button in the same vain as the 'add bookmark' button but placing it at the other end of the address bar?

I'm sure there are plenty of users out there who will disagree with me and want to champion the new tabs, that's great! you're welcome to your opinion

Maybe one day I'll come around to the new way of doing tabs Apple's way, but for now I'll remain in the retro tabs camp.

Overall I'm still impressed with the beta.

What are your thoughts?

Taisto · #27 02-27-2009, 09:44 PM

I`ve been using the beta for few days now - sometimes it crashes with many tabs opened, but as for beta - it does work great. I must say that i like the new tabs very much

Well, the older style was nice to - but i enjoy the change. Rogue, i think you`ll get used to those tabs

What i miss in Safari 4 is - stop/reload button, and a button for Top Sites...i know most ppl would say that using Cmd+Opt+1 is easier - but im just used to move my mouse to the left side of address bar and click the button...well, i surely wont get used to using this keyboard shortcut

What i dont like in the GUI is...ok, i know it`s stupid - add to favourites button sticked to the addres bar...it hurts my taste :P would rather move it to the left.

About the browser, hmm, it sometimes miss few things on the sites using a lot of java/flash, it`s working faster, i like the top sites function and the animatios, and i hate the fact that loading progress has disappeared from the addres bar. Think that`s all

eMatoS · #28 02-27-2009, 09:55 PM

I've tested safari 4 with voodoo final and AnV's voodoo and it crashes instantly. It won't even open. Perhaps it's the new Top sites thing, maybe it's all java, and I'm having a hard time to run certain java apps. So I'm back to safari 3 for now...

@Taisto: Have you updateed your system to 10.5.6 and then installed voodoo's package?
Also, are you running in 64bits?

REQUEST:
Can someone with a 10.5.5 leopard send me these 2 files?
/usr/bin/update_dyld_shared_cache
/usr/lib/dyld
i've downloaded a couple of combo updates and I can't find them.

Taisto · #29 02-27-2009, 10:05 PM

@eMatoS : I`m using iPC 10.5.6 release with 9.5.0 Voodoo kernel. Running in legacy mode.
Top Sites seems to cause problems on systems lower than 10.5.6, aswell as the Safari intro movie - dunno why.

eMatoS · #30 02-27-2009, 10:19 PM

Thanks Taisto, I'm suspecting that this is related to 10.5.6 dyld and update_dyld_shared_cache. I've been running voodoo since their first beta and never noticed these issues until now. (both files were updated with 10.5.6)
e.g.: in gmail I can't create a new mail, and I'm sure I've done that before the update.
Sorry for the offtopic.